composite chiron in 12th house

The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. now chiron. We are very romantic together and trust each other. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. When we split up I cried every day for a month. He just wanted to keep it physical until one of us gets married with someone else. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? Escapist activities such as drugs, drinking, watching television, and compulsions are often found here in the12th house. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. Could I ask Your opinion? Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. What would you say about a composite Scorpio Juno in the 12th house, conjunct to the asteroid Valentine and squaring the north and south node? Youre writing is inspired. I dont quite know what it all means but I like what you wrote here and will keep it in mind for future reference: [Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! Because thats what it feels like! I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) I didnt see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. Again, sadly, this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. Weve known each other for a decade??? (excuse my bad English) this is a very arguementative aspect.it indicates that the two of you have vastly different opinions on most everything . I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. I have chiron in the 7th house Gemini natally. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. Good luck. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. It isnt bad, its difficult. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. The ego thing is very true. The south node lies there on the natal composite. What is important to each person in the relationship as far as values, is highlighted with a second sun house in addition to how the couple supports themselves financially, accumulates possessions, and enjoys earthly pleasures. Note that composite Venus (12th house) is trine Jupiter/Cupido by implication through its trine with Ceres at 29 Libra. Hi Dawn. In the ninth house, it may indicate some crisis to do with spiritual teaching. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. We are mainly connected by a love of art, music and film. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. This can make them appear easily influenced by others, which could lead them to not knowing what direction they should take with their lives. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. what kind of compassion do you think can be generated from a composite mars in 12th house? And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! Hi! I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. Is there nothing better to hope for? Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. Loving and letting go, as well as maturing your love into a transcendant form of love where you are able to love so deeply that you give it the potential to annihilate you, yet you learn to let go and allow the natural changes in the state of our being has been a reoccurring theme of my life. Another spin given to the 12th house . We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. Jul 28, 2011. Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. We both have natal moon in house 12. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. It symbolizes pealing back the layers to reveal the authentic self underneath. I cant stop the regretful feelings. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) . I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. We fall, and find the world. Most of it is illusions I know.. Thank you for your answer. All this seems to confirm your analyses of the other composite houses, as well. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. The Chiron return arrives at age 50, bringing for many a. pinnacle of achievement, authority, boldness, and charisma. Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. We all find our gods where we can and must. Is Your experience the same? Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. Its pretty rare. It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). Mars and Pluto certainly do about Scorpio. This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. thanks Dawn! In traditional astrology this house is often associated with "undoing" or self-sabotage. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. So, one might experience a number of spiritual or religious . do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. Here we are, older, everything so different now, lessons learned, and I am seeing that I cant undo the past. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. Hello dawn Then we hurt each other. I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. Eventually, we learn that life is not as random as we thought, but full of purpose and meaning. They represent different aspects of a relationship. Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. The sign Chiron is in will dominate but the house placing will show in which area the personality is motivated and into which they will put their efforts. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. I just am hesitating. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. His Neptune conjuncts my SN orb 003 It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. Learn how your comment data is processed. Composite Venus In 12th House With Composite Venus in the 12th house, you may find it difficult to express affection and love for one another. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. I was with him longer than Ive ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. The 12th house is called the house of ends. When the transit Moon is in the composite 6th house, you may be a little emotionally picky in the relationship, and can be a little judgy with one another. You explain the ineffable. Its not special, its common. Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. When it comes to relationship troubles, try taking an alternative approach. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! So much more needs to be considered. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. Thank you. Everything you said is so on point. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. They rip the rug from under you every other day. Hey Dawn! Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. Composite 12th house in Taurus= Issues with Stubborness. Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. The individuals involved may feel stronger as a couple than they do on their own. At all. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. Id appreciate any information. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. Chiron sextile or trine the Sun, Moon, . Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this.

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