do pros bend their irons stronger
It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] When you start messing with length, then you also mess with swing weight and then adding weight to compensate for the SW can start messing with the flex of the shaft. 4. By the way, thank you all for your input! [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable Taking the next club up isn't as easy because the lengths are longer and it won't be as easy to control. Bending golf clubs is a viable option if youre looking to adjust the lie angle and loft of your golf clubs. Day in particular looks like he's always hitting 100% or more. somewhere between where you currently play it and ludicrous is a new, improved, boring flight. I have some of my irons bent 2* strong. It is all about fitting. [/quote] I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. Mizuno irons can be adjusted to varying degrees depending on model and material type. Titleist 712U 4i, C-Taper 120x I can do that with my 5 iron.. Oh wait never mine. GIVEAWAY! TXG Custom King Cobra Nova, 25 gram weights, Garsen Ultimate grip. This is helpful if you want to adjust instead of replacing your irons, particularly if their loft angles arent as they should be. Cobra King LTD 17* w/Blueboard, Scor 50* RTX3 54* MD5 58* Reset Password Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. Fitting.. gives you a choice. For Example After being bent, high-quality cast clubs dont go back to their original position either, ensuring you achieve the desired results after bending your clubs. Hes happy to answer any of your questions! get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). See What Members Are Saying! My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. [/quote] Whether its changing the lie to improve accuracy or changing loft to make sure that the players clubs are progressively consistent, angle bending is a major factor in club performance. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? Loft angles are adjusted mostly for consistent distance gaps throughout the set. TXG Custom Mizuno T20, 50/05, 59/06, Nippon 950H Neo. To help keep their driver shafts stable and the golf ball in play off the tee, many of them "tip," or trim, their golf shafts to make . The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. But it would reduce bounce by 2*, which may affect playability. For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. Pros and cons? Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. The cb301 had an x100 and the blade had a modus 125x. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] Should You Bend Your Irons? I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. [/b][/size] I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. When buying shoes I noticed a lot of the shoes in the stores inventory were size 10. Ping G400 Testing G410. 7 iron 32 171 tiger does it, hyuck hyuck. and this is just for practice! The most common adjustment is lie angle, not loft. [/quote]tango xray 3 3 gives a great visual during practice with that hoop! [/quote] Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. the dude who's got no shot at doing that always thinks it's the clubs. 1001 Industrial Blvd [/quote] get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. Clear editor. No, they are talking about the lie, not the loft. If you don't like bend them back. They should be leading and flat. Given that bending your golf clubs is all about fine margins, its far too easy to get it wrong when you do it yourself, so its much better to entrust the process with a fitter who has the experience and the right equipment! Privacy Policy 8 iron 38 160 6-iron launch: 17*. The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. This applies to both face angle and lie. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph Yes, that above but more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. Callaway Rogue Max LS 9* Tensei AV Blue 6, Titleist TSi3 strong 3w 13.5* PX HSRDUS black 70, Titleist TS3 19* hybrid Tensei Blue/Titleist TS3 23* TenseiBlue, Vokey SM8 50*F & 56*M Callaway Jaws MD5 60*. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable I'm concerned, however, that if I purchase a set of Scratch irons with what I think is the right grind for me (S/S) and bend the lofts a couple of degrees strong (ie. I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. [/quote] enjoy the game and enjoy your new irons: standard lie, loft and length works for 90% of recreational golfers. The #1 reason for doing this is it changes how the club will sit on the ground. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable XXIO X Series 5 Wood! that is why the standard lie angles of GI irons will be more upright thant the standard lie angles of a " players" iron, even among the same manufacturer. Then again this is all coming from a low spin player. Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). In our forums, our members have been discussing modern irons with stronger lofts and whether they are easier or harder to play than older irons. 9 iron 41 148 Pleased in both regard, distance and ball flight is good. Bending golf clubs is a relatively inexpensive procedure that you can pay someone else to do on your behalf. 6 iron 29 183 Wish he could drop the loft down to 7.5* Upright. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? I was able to do a Mizuno demo show and the rep fit me for mp62's. rjklein4470, June 3, 2009 in WRX Club Techs. 6-iron launch: 17* gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. And provided the hosel of the wood is long enough to allow the bending bar to fit over its length, metal woods can be bent to custom-fit a player. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft. Bumping the toe up 2 or 3 degrees, serves to mitigate each of the flaws through impact and helps to reduce the amount of left to right curvature that usually accompanies these moves. PW-iron - 44.5 degrees. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. None of the top 100 PGA Tour pros uses regular iron shafts. They should be leading and flat. thanks[/quote] Looks like a bit more than expected for a standard lofted 6 but not crazy. He's on fire now, but I can't remember him playing well in windy conditions. You should only really bend your golf clubs yourself if you have the right equipment at home to do the job. However, given the fact that you can bend your golf clubs for as little as $5 by taking them to a professional club fitter, its probably best not to attempt it yourself if you dont have the right equipment. If they can market a club that will cut down on that slice they are going to sell more clubs. Some really do need more upright lies. [/quote] Annealing ensures a more consistent grain structure in the metal; heat treatment makes the head hard enough to withstand constant golf ball impacts. Are Tommy Armour Clubs Good? The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. Just because you have 130 yds to pin doesn't mean it's automatically a PW..depends on alot of factors While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. i'm 6'1, that's why i went to this lie. While you can theoretically bend fairway woods and hybrids, the design and loft of irons mean that you can bend them to ensure that they're consistent from one club to the next. 2 deg flat seems to work pretty well for me. There are the following reasons why you want to bend a club head. Vice versa if the club is upright. But he said that the standard lie/loft(?) My 5 irons lie is 59 deg whereas the usual 5 iron lie from most manufacturers is more like 61 deg. But if the bounce is already minimal you start going into negative bounce. Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. I had one fitter tell me I could play at 4 deg flat but that seemed a little extreme. Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). 3W&5W: CallawayEpic Flash . MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. But that's not the only reason for that. PGA Tour players swing the club fast. ), Undersize Golf Grips Explained (8 Key Facts!). Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? Honma TW747 15* Vizard FD-8X Older irons can be bent to achieve better gaping and additional distance, but the distance increases will be very small. He had me hit on a board and said that I needed 1/2 inch long. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. You cannot paste images directly. QEight Advanced Members 3.6k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted August 8, 2014 Pros can easily hit their 7 iron over 170 yards or more. [/quote]actually a "good" player (one who actually CAN control trajectory) could grab 10 different clubs off a rack and MAKE the ball flight in the air look VERY similar (no, that doesn't mean they are all ideal for the player, and no that doesn't mean they all fit him). It is as basic as that. [/quote] (Worth the Money?!). 6-iron launch: 17* Bending golf clubs also make your irons either slightly shorter or longer. Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. 7 iron 34 165 It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. Players have been doing this for a long time. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). Have wondered why he always had a little fade with his Mizuno mp32 and mp67 irons but much less so with Callaway X16 irons. Ok thanks ya'll. All bending machines are not accurate in their readings. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. These are forgiving clubs so you can work on this new action and learn it in relative safety. In most instances, this means investing in high-tech golf bending machine that allows you to adjust your clubs by about two degrees. Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. See What Members Are Saying! But back to the original question, to sum up: Weakening lofts or going to weeaker lofts refers to increasing loft angle going from, say, 27 degrees in your 5-iron to 29 degrees in your 5-iron. All gripped w/ Lamkin Crossline ACE Midsize, with buildup tape 15.5mm RH/16mm LH. Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Of the 59 irons surveyed in the chart, if a traditional 7-iron is 34 (thanks to this GolfWeek article ), that means 15 of them are 34 or 1 weaker than traditional loft, AND 44 are 1 or more stronger. My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. Once you know what your lie angles are - keep a note if you like, then you can easily know if another brand's irons need adjusting. but, best to check for real by hitting shots with them anyway. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Why do Pro's and some amatures have their irons bent 1* stronger. WRXer 'harpu728' kicks off the thread saying: "Being that higher-lofted irons within the same set are easier to hit (i.e. [quote name='dlygrisse' post='1857448' date='Aug 1 2009, 11:07 PM']When buying shoes I noticed a lot of the shoes in the stores inventory were size 10.[/quote] Non-Tapered Golf Grips: 8 Facts to Know Before You Buy! Repeat a few times for checking, and can check a few different irons ie 7 and 9 and 5 etc to confirm your general tendency. If you feel like you are spinning the 6 too much for a certain type of shot on a particular day, hit a knock down 5 iron or scrub some speed off the 6. Coops [quote name='tx33' timestamp='1444281825' post='12426402'] They will adjust each iron to get even gaps between each iron. In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. [quote name='rybo' timestamp='1441146850' post='12247568'] This is often the case with cheaper branded golf clubs that are mass-produced, as less attention to detail is paid by the manufacturers. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x. Repeat a few times for checking, and can check a few different irons ie 7 and 9 and 5 etc to confirm your general tendency. How I go about it would be to get your loft and lies checked, then hit ball on trackman/flightscope/gc2, figure your carry numbers and adjust accordingly if you are that serious about doing it. Fit the lie angle so that when [b]YOU[/b] swing that club the sole of the club is 'flat' to the ground ie neither too upright nor too flat - this is when the impact tape on the sole of the club will show the impact/rubbing to be in the middle of the sole. which leads to your observation since a rather huge majority of golfers slice the ball (even if they like to call it a fade) then a simple band-aid is to bend it more upright.. in the same way most drivers have their faces set closed at address and also with far more upright lie angles than 'fits'. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. Of course, pros do lots of training and have faster clubhead speed than most amateurs. You can now expect a bunch of posts citing all of the exceptions to the generalizations set out above. more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. There is a tendency to over analyze things here, and the thought that a degree or two of loft making that big of a difference is often over exaggerated. Sign up to receive product offers and news! [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. 2. Albion, MI 49224 You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. This also means youre much less likely to screw the process up, and your clubs will be bent to perfection! 6-iron launch: 17* The general rule of thumb is that 1* ~ 3 yards (which is why consistent 4* gaps is pretty standard). [/color] [color=#282828]This made me wonder about messing with lofts and bounce (not to mention offset). I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. Since the upright lie tends to assist golfers in hitting the ball right to left, it's going to help the masses who tend to have to commonest swing fault - left to right. This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. [/quote] Strong lofts are only part of the equation that today's golf club engineers use to help you hit their irons further. Then again, I'm not sure that the spin you are talking about is a problem. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. While some golfers can afford such a price tag to improve their clubs, others will balk at it! It also improved my gapping, even though they were all bent the same 2* strong. I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. [size=5][b] I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. Best of luck.Chuck. Titleist Pro V1x You cannot paste images directly. In other words, they might not be progressively consistent from one club to another, which means your distances might be out. Have you experimented with different shafts? The iron will roll 'open' when bent strong. Clear editor. My wingspan finger tip to finger tip is 78". This can significantly alter the way that you strike the ball and can save you a fortune as far as upgrading, or changing clubs is concerned. So for many, playing an upright lie with your irons is a quick and dirty fix for those who can't or don't want to take the time to fix a swing flaw. Maltby KE4 14* 3w , Axe Excaliber R flex tipped 1" It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. [/quote] Maybe a little further, maybe a little lower, maybe to change bounce, maybe just looks/feels better. I've always just played with whatever I had, but I'm now trying to work my way up to being able to afford a set that actually fits me. They sit better to my eye on the ground, the leading edge is noticeably lower and seems to line up with the hosel better (for lack of a better way to put it). The biggest effect is on the bounce. Clear editor. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. Apologies for the generalization to right-handed golfers, the opposite will obviously apply to lefties. I would never ever think of doing this on my own. Your previous content has been restored. Honma TW-U forged 18* W/ KBS Prototype 95X Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. Another reason why stronger lofts don't always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. Mine are bent 2 strong to offset my high ballflight. The angle and loft of your golf clubs are extremely important. Why is it so popular to bend your irons 2 degrees up? Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. an 8 iron is easier to hit than a 6 iron), I'm trying to draw comparisons to modern irons with stronger lofts, and if . There does seem to be an abrupt cut off on the minimum iron loft at slower swing speeds. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. Warrior Golf Clubs Review - What Happened? We also conclusively say whether or not you should bend your clubs yourself or take them to a custom club fitter to take care of the process for you. [/quote] "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] Bending say, 2* strong would have minimal effect on offset. 9 iron 42 145 Standard length and lie are perfect for me. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph I noticed when looking in the for sale forum, that there are alot of irons bent like this. Bubba might better be able to answer that question, I know you can with the mb or cbs. So, if you want to bend your golf clubs this season, you can expect to pay somewhere around the $100 mark for your entire set of irons, but you might be able to negotiate a discount. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. [/quote] I would tweak loft to adjust my distance gaps. I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. SeeMore M6 5 iron 26 198 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph [/quote] My personal clubs are 2 up because that's what my fitting said I should be when hitting on a lie board. To bend a club effectively, you need to use a club bending machine or take your clubs to a professional to do it on your behalf. Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210), Titleist Scotty Cameron Futura X7M Putter and Stitch Polo XXL NWT, NEW Taylormade Stealth 2 Plus 9 deg. A wide back milled slot enhances the clubhead's stability on off-center strikes Added perimeter weighting with toe-bias Covered with a pearl brush finish Pros Soft feel at the impact on strikes out of the middle Promotes accelerated ball speed in your 4 to 7 iron shots Reduced offset allows for better shot workability "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. Mine are a degree flat guess I'm opposite of the norm. One of the least common reasons is distance- usually, they're trying to get the ballflight into a "window" that they're comfortable with- if a 7 iron goes to high, bend it stronger. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? Titleist's 620 MB & Callaway's Apex TCB irons are the next most used with 7. Even with limitations, many of todays metal woods are indeed bendable, especially stainless-steel heads. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. Is that ok? So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree.